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striking fear into the heart of hollywood's bigwigs. charlie sheen. >> when it show is run by nazis, it takes on a different light. >> he's a man who has never been afraid to speak his mind, and tonight he's at it again. >> that's my response to him, complete and total. >> people will tell you he's dangerous, unpredictable. that's exactly why i like him. >> i will say the time aged me, but it certainly put more salt in my saddle. >> charlie sheen, the g the bad, and the utterly outrageous. and the one thing you never thought you would hear charlie sheen say. you're not that crazy guy anymore? >> no, i'm not. >> welcome back, sir.
>> thank you. >> ding ding, round two. this is "piers morgan tonight." >> good evening. if you ask me to name my top three all-time guests, charlie sheen would definitely be one of those. he's hahn, funny, candid, and gloriously unpredictable. i'm not even sure it's charlie. he's a hollywood veteran, but it's his roles off screen that have been grabbing headlines for years. there's no one else quite like charlie sheen. it's been nearly two years since i sat down with him, and he sat with me again. charlie, it's a great pleasure to see you again. how are you? >> great. how are you? >> you look great. >> so do you. >> charlie is in good nature. >> thank you. falling asleep. >> before we go any further, a clip from the last interview we
did, february of 2011. i think it would politely be described as the height of sheen mania. addiction specialists, you have seen them coming out. >> been around them for 20 years. lying to me for two decades. >> they're saying you're in denial and you have never stopped and thought, i have got to do this properly, and if you follow the program, it can work. a lot of people watching can say, it can work for me. >> and have a life like theirs? i'm going to pass. why? because i'm a winner and it looks like their world is ruled by losers. i don't want their lives and they want mine, and they want to criticize the hell out of me, and they have run the gamut, he's not loaded, he's manic. i don't know what that means. i guess it's implied there will be a crash.
i don't know when that's coming but maybe you can cover it. >> one, what you were saying, two, your reaction. >> how about letting you finish the question. man. >> what do you feel about what you just watched of yourself? >> a little cringeable. a little hard to watch. i thought i looked okay, but no, it's a guy who is involved in something -- something otherworldly at the time. very bizarre. >> it was you against everybody. literally at war with everyone. >> whether they were picking a fight or not. lighten up, francis, right? >> has your view of addiction and how to deal with it changed in the two years since then? >> it's softened a little bit. i'm not as vitriolic as i was there, obviously, but yeah, i still don't completely buy the disease, being part of an establishment or association that has a small percent of
success rate, and those are numbers i'm making up. yeah, i don't miss that group, to be honest with you. >> you're not that crazy guy anymore. >> no. >> you were very wired. you have done many almost insane interviews. other people deliberately goaded you, and me sitting back and letting you talk was riveting television. you are a guy who kind of walked away from the highest paid tv gig in america. people don't do that in the united states. >> walking away and being fired are two different things. >> i think you could have avoided that. >> yeah. >> you kind of fired yourself. >> i was on the verge and i pushed it. i did want out after season three. it was no fun, no fun at all. i was so, so upset and shocked to be having this great, tremendous success, and nobody was laughing when we were doing it, except the audience. it was just -- i thought, this isn't how i thought it was supposed to be.
>> how hard was it for you, even with all the experience you had, to have your life in this huge goldfish bowl over that period, where everybody was talking about nothing else but charlie sheen? >> it was pretty adrenal. it was pretty unnerving at times. it was exciting, though, to have my tweets opening to the cbs opening news, stuff like that. >> crazy. i remember you were on my show. you may not have remembered it. you weren't on twitter. we talked about it over the break. >> i hadn't started? >> i said, you would get so many followers. i think the next day you started on twitter. and within a week, you had five million followers. >> i have 8 million and 3 million on facebook. no, it's -- i'm glad that people stuck with me. i'm glad they stuck with me. it's an interesting idea, interesting concept and an
interesting reality, the whole twitter movement. i still don't totally understand it. >> you engage with people, but ultimately, you're charlie sheen on twitter. your are the character. you're funny, you're sharp, you're controversial. you don't really care. >> it's a little hot in here. i think if it's done tastefully, i don't want to use it as a platform to insult people or attack people or movements or organizations, but i think it's a fabulous tool for fans. especially to get messages out like you have been doing, really amazing. >> on the gun thing. >> yeah, the stand you're taking is really impressive. >> what do you think of the whole gun debate?
>> in 2011 in england and wales, 39. in america the same year, 11,500, 12,000. it's a different world, which i find very scary. i don't understand why people wouldn't want to try to deal with it. do you understand? >> i think the problem is that people -- well, there's two things. if anybody from the nra wants to look any of the parents in the eyes from the school and tell them that guns are necessary, then i urge them to and see how that goes. >> a particularly type of assault weapon. >> yeah, because we're not supposed to bury our children and nobody would if the weapon wasn't involved. the problem and the argument a lot of people are going to make is how do you get the guns from the bad guys? the bad guys have guns and the good guys want guns. and people, you know, within our constitution, have the right to bear arms. during the right of establishing a militia, correct? which we don't have to do these days. >> i get why americans want to defend themselves, i do get that. i don't get why anybody needs or would want to use an assault weapon that can fire 100 bullets in a minute. you can't use them for hunting. >> no. >> not for sport. >> if you're part of a war, yes. >> have you ever owned gun yourself? >> i have, yeah. i was not a hunter but i was a target shooter and more of a weapons collector with a lot of vintage stuff. and i have always through the years had various weaponry, and then i had a domestic and they took them all away and i haven't gotten them back. >> how do you feel? >> i'm okay with it. >> do you miss having guns around?
>> i miss shooting. i had an underground range at my house and would go down there for hours. i didn't feel like there were tools for what i was using them for, not for all the negative stuff. >> when you see people say, look, you can't ignore the instances of violence in hollywood films. you made one of the great war films of all time. do you see any correlation between violent hollywood films or video games perhaps and some of these incidents? do you think it can -- >> i think it can. thankfully, there's enough of us out there that just view it as entertainment and have fun with it. i think more damage can be done with a show like "criminal minds" where some guy is out there planning his next serial kill and gets the idea from some of that stuff where it's really twisted and evil and hard to watch. >> quentin tarantino would argue has he has on his own films, that he merely reflects what is happening in life. it's chicken and the egg and he's the egg, if you like. >> movie can influence things in a different direction as well. people put so much power into that visual, that, you know, the places they're taken to when they go to a film, you know, so i think it can have a positive impact or a negative one. i don't know, i wish i had a solution and i don't. i'm sure you feel the same way. >> i feel very frustrated, like a lot of people do, that you can't even have a debate. we're having a civilized conversation, a lot of people can't even do that. they want to get so intensely enraged about the second
amendment and their right to bear arms. they can't see the woods through the trees which is why does anyone need an ar-15 military style weapon anyway? i don't know what you would use it for. >> fighting a war. >> what? >> fighting a were. >> i get it. >> yeah. >> the other big story this week has been lance armstrong. >> right. >> what is your view of him? >> i met him once at a party and i'm assuming he was in a bad mood because he wasn't the friendliest guy in the world. i'm sure people say that about me from time to time. not too often because i'm pretty approachable. >> what did he say to you? >> i said mr. armstrong, i'm sorry to bother you. i'm charlie sheen. i want to shake your hand. he said, that's nice. >> where was this? >> he said, that's nice. i said, no, it's not nice. this was probably five years ago. yeah. yeah. >> did he shake your hand? >> yeah. >> but he didn't want to? >> i don't think so. i don't want to tell both sides of the story because i don't know what he was into that night or what was going on. i have been on the sidelines with the rest of us watching the fall from grace. >> to me, he is one of the
biggest and worst cheats in sporting history because the number of lie lives that he adversely effected. i get the livestrong thing. giving this interview where he admitted he cheated, to me, he's an american icon in many ways, whether it's marion jones or other sporting heroes, when they are caught cheat, i feel america hurts because america puts these people on such pedestals. very patriotic country. and the sporting heroes, especially the ones who win globally, become iconic.
what do you think? >> i think america is very forgiving if the person hasn't been like you just described, but i think the reason i have been forgiven for a lot of my stuff is that it appears i'm honest and a guy who at least is trying to do the recognize thing. i took steroids for a film in '88 and they worked and i stopped and they wrote about it in sports illustrated. >> which film was that? >> "major league." it made me crazy. made me insane and angry and picking fights in bars, so i get it, but it also gave me in the final couple weeks of the shooting the energy i needed to keep me going. you know, a lot of people talk about bonds and this hall of fame thing recently that i think was a bit of a disaster. >> i couldn't understand what the fuss was about. most of them were cheats. why would you put a cheat into the hall of fame? >> i don't know. bonds, i don't know where the proof really was, except the way he looked visually, maybe the age, too much salt. i wasn't there. that's the thing people forget to mention.
they weren't there. >> your perspective on steroids on your ability to pitch. these guys aren't playing fair, right? >> no, but it's nice to see that they're looking at the other players. it may give you extra legs deep in the season, but you still have to have that god-given ability to hit the ball like you did. >> do you forgive lance armstrong? >> i would like to sit down and talk to him. make my own opinion based on an experience with him, not just based on sideline -- >> say that wasn't nice. >> that wasn't nice. >> let's take a break. when we come back, i want to
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i got mine fixed up like i want it to. >> sounds to me like a man cave. >> what's a man cave? >> it's a place where you can do whatever you want and nobody bothers you. it used to be your life but then you got married so now it's just a room. >> a great line. a great show. >> thank you. >> what i love about you is you choose shows where you basically are equipped to play the character you're playing. >> you're very kind. >> a womanizing party boy. evidence number one, the second one, you play a guy who original has anger management counseling. again. >> life imitating -- yeah. is it easy?
it makes it easier for people to understand the show off the bat, i think. does it make it easier for me? yeah, if i can play things i have done in my life, sure. at least there's something real behind them when you're portraying them. but i really like this character. he's so much more multidimensional than charlie harper was. charlie goodson. how many charlies am i going to play? charlie swanson coming up, too. that should be my last charlie role. >> you're giving up charlie completely. >> didn't name any children
charlie. carlos is bob's middle name. but this role, bruce alford, who helped create the show with me, we created this character together but didn't flesh it out completely because we knew we would have a few episodes to do that, you know, and then we do. we have 100. >> amazing. >> we did a ten-episode pilot. >> do you feel vindicated? your position on "two and a half men" is you were still doing the business on screen. hugely popular. nothing you were doing in your private life, however chaotic, affected what was appearing onscreen. >> it was slowing me down personally, but it wasn't slowing production down.
it was very satisfying, and not so much like in their face because i think you have to walk away from that at some point. but yeah, just to let america know, my friends and family know, and myself know that i was still capable of doing this and that i wasn't -- i was able to get back on the horse as soon as i could. basically brushed myself off, walked across the street, and put this thing together. it's pretty exciting. >> is it more fun doing the other shows sober? >> it's a lot more fun. you can make a lot more choices. when you say sober, i'm never a guy who worked loaded because doing a sitcom is so specific, like a big dance, it has a very specific metronome on it, so it's the detail work, it was very difficult. you can't find it if you're fogged. >> do you still party much? >> not as much as i used to. >> you haven't completely given up. >> i don't do as many drugs. i'm 47. i don't know -- >> i'm the same age. >> okay, yeah. we have to start thinking about the second half. >> i'm really disappointed you actually look better than me. >> that's not true, come on.
>> charlie sheen looks younger. >> you're very kind. as far as -- yeah, i was hung over, and i think that can slow down the choices that one can make. >> i always wondered if that makes a difference. in movies or tv shows, unless this role you're playing is some male model -- >> have to look perfect all the time. >> you're a womanizing party boy, why would being hung over be brand damaging? >> it shouldn't be. but when it's run by aa nazis, it takes a different light. >> have you come close to calling him? >> no, i think we were in the same hotel lobby one night, missed each other by about ten minutes. >> what would you have said? >> i would have walked up to him and said good luck with everything. sorry about that and see you on campus. i think that's what i would have done, you know? the fantasy is walking up and dropping him, but that's not who i am. i'm not a violent guy. >> do you harbor resentment? >> i wish he would acknowledge
at some point that he had a hand in it. he did put out a statement. the timing was perfect for him, actually because nothing is organic. it's always a little manufactured. it was right before we were going to debut, and he put out this mea culpa, and it was hard to move on. i felt good about that, but it was on the eve of us about to get all this bitching attention. >> do you miss it? >> there are parts i miss because when i look back at the pilot of two and a half, it was an absolute gem. an absolute gem. i almost agreed to do that show base on his enthusiasm and his track record without seeing a script. i said to him, i said, what are you going to call it? he said, two and a half men, i knew it was a hit. i read the script five days later, and i said, angus, you're
better than a dog, i knew we had gold. >> like guns n' roses, axel and slash, they made sweet music and then it's over. you made such great comedy, and then you can't hardly stand to be in the same room together. >> i would like to get back together. just for the record. that is a hole in my rock world as well. >> what do you make of ashton kutcher? you have varied between being critical? >> i have to get off his back. he's a terrific young man and he's doing a great job with what they have given him. he should be thankful they still have jon there. jon is a genius. >> is the show as good with him? >> no, and not because -- yeah, because of me, but -- no, what they did, piers, they unloaded their anchor, cut off their anchor and they want to drift. you don't realize how important your anchor is until you lose it. >> do you ever watch it? >> i watched it early on. their pilot episode had one of the great television moments of
all time with the ashes and the reveal of the guy behind the window. that was brilliant, but the show should have ended there and said, to be continued. after that, i just don't know why a billionaire wants to buy a house with a kid and a guy and stay there. whatever. i don't know. i don't know. >> do you ever speak to him? >> i met him at the emmys and he was really cool. >> he's a cool guy. i like him very much. >> yeah, and jon, angus had a little meltdown. >> i was going to play a little bit of that. >> and be like, oh, i can be a christian and be on a show like "two and a half men." you can't. you cannot be a true god-fearing person and be on a television show like that. i know i can't. i am not okay with what i'm learning, what the bible says and being on that television show.
>> i mean, i do have a certain sympathy. >> what does the bible say about "two and a half men"? what does that mean? what the bible says? wow. >> when you first saw that, what did you think? >> i didn't think it was an act. i thought something had -- some influence had come into his life. he embraced and it didn't seem to be of the popular vote. i don't know. >> have you seen any signs of this kind of extreme religious -- >> not even close. not even close. no. i think at one point, he claimed to be agnostic. wow, we never really dealt with any of this stuff on the set. religion -- i think there was one episode about it, but it wasn't like a water cooler topic.
>> when he went off, he said he regretted it and he wished he didn't. when he did, did you try to reach out to him? >> no, because i knew when i did it, i had people coming at me, i knew i probably wouldn't get through and i didn't want to be the guy that was like, hey, man, now that that happened, i'm calling. and he would be like, why didn't you call before that? you know what i'm saying? he's a terrific kid. this feels temporary, not like a jonestown meltdown. >> speaking of meltdowns, lindsay lohan who you gave $100,000 to. with the spark cash card from capital one, sven gets great rewards for his small business! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! woo-hoo!!! so that's ten security gators, right?
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tell me, why did you give lindsay lohan $100,000? >> good question. i thought i was going to get it back. no. >> did you get it back? >> no, it wasn't about that. they offered me a ton of dough for one day's work. i was flattered. they said, we want to hire lindsay to make it more epic, but we want to give her half of what we gave you. and they took it back from me and they shorted her $100,000 on what i thought they were going to, and that was it, and then she went public. that was it.
>> this is "scary movie 5." what she grateful? >> eventually. it wasn't right off the bat, though. in the moment when i mentioned it to her, i don't think she believed it was true. and then when it showed up, there was a bit of a delay, but that's fine. she's a busy young lady. >> she is in many ways someone who has gone through a not dissimilar path from you. very famous, very young, and she's clearly struggled with that and with various alcohol and drugs and so on. can you, even you, give somebody like that advice, or is it in the end, look in the mirror and work it out for yourself? >> the only thing i'm -- if she had asked me questions about
some of my own stuff, i would have gladly given her advice, but she didn't. maybe she didn't want to pry. >> how important is family? your family is all pretty famous. your dad, from all reports, was pretty concerned about you last time i interviewed you. >> i was a [ bleep ] in my response to him, complete and total. i was an ass. >> let's play what martin said.
powerful. >> not dissimilar to lindsay. >> my reaction, that was really shameful. now i'm grateful. >> when you react in a way that you do, which was pretty aggressively against what he said, how did he respond to that? >> he didn't. he didn't. he is too adult for that, you know? he figured it was me doing my thing, and we would come back together eventually. >> and that happened? >> hell yeah. >> how did that happen? >> there was a moment we had where -- i think the tour ended. he came back from spain. and we had a nice lunch together.
we didn't really talk about much. he said how are things doing? no more t-shirts? yeah, no more interviews? he said, why don't you get your money and take care of your kids? that was cool, yeah. >> good advice. >> yeah, it was. just brought it down to basics. >> two months now? >> we work together now. he's on the show. he's fabulous. he's really funny. he doesn't even know it, doesn't know how good he is on the show. >> does he know how big he's been in your recovery? >> i think he does. >> makes him proud?
>> we're more friends. there's a lot i can't figure out and a lot i can. >> when you see someone like robert downey jr., for example, and others who go through these kinds of things -- >> right. >> do you see the same kind of stuff going down when you see people like that go through the same stuff you went through or is everyone different? >> they handle it differently and it looked a little differently on them, but it's a similar garment we're all wearing, yeah. i think fame has a lot to do
>> charlie sheen, a glimpse inside the mind of charles swann. that looks like -- >> a lot of fun. >> a surreal amount of fun. you enjoyed making it? >> i did. he wrote it with me in mind about his own experiences, about a love he lost and still couldn't figure it out. >> where are you at the moment with women? >> with a girlfriend. >> a goddess? >> no, just a girlfriend. >> what happened to the goddesses? >> they went their separate ways. very -- there was not a lot of drama. everybody was, you know, it was mutually agreed upon. >> every man's dream or does it get complicated? >> it gets complicated. i still believe in that motto. i believe you can live with two women. they got to be the right women, and i think they have to know each other before they know you. you can't put them together and expect them to be perfect because it doesn't work. >> tell me about the lady in your life. >> jones, we call her.
terrific. i was a fan before i met her. on the internet. >> she's an entertainer? >> yes. >> you have a thing for that. >> i do. you can do a lot of research before you meet them. no joke. but i'm a bigger fan since. she's fabulous. you know, she's -- i don't want to say a female version of me, but we have very similar traits and qualities. she's a lot younger, and she's hotter than the word itself, and she's fun as hell. she's fun as hell. >> you don't have any problem with what she does. >> she doesn't do it anymore. >> given it up? >> a couple years. and that stuff is all out there, but it's the reason we met so how can i criticize it. >> are you in love with her? >> i am.
actually, i am. there's a part of me that is, absolutely. i think there's different types of love. >> you have been married three times. >> that didn't work. >> were you properly in love each time? >> i thought i was, and i might have been in certain moments. i thing you can be in love with somebody and it can be in a fleeting moment but still very real. >> you're also a grandfather. >> i am, well, not just yet. >> how do you feel about that? >> terrific. my son-in-law, weird. >> this is the daughter with your childhood sweetheart who you never married. >> never married. >> she's now in her late 20s, right, your daughter? >> 28. her birthday was 12-12-12. >> and that moment where she said dad, you're going to be a grandfather, that's got to be a wake-up call. >> as steve martin said, it gave me kaka pants. i knew it was going to happen eventually, but i didn't know it was going to be this soon. it's none of my business when she chose to do that, so i have
we're all behind the same gate. >> denise has the girls. it's civilized? >> pretty civilized, yeah, keeping everybody paid and they'll be happy. >> do you see much of the boys? >> not as much as i planned to or i would like to, but what is really cool is when they come to set. we have a kid station there. you know, my bus is very friendly and smoke free most of the time, and -- >> how many kids? >> five. >> five kids. some with brooke, some with denise. are they all friends? >> they're becoming friends, absolutely. yeah. >> when you see the influence and impact your father had on you, do you understand more of
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we all know there's a good chance charlie will be dead soon, so i wrote an obituary. charlie sheen who became a tabloid fixture due to his problems with drugs and alcohol, was found dead in his apartment, actually, you know what -- i kind of copied amy winehouse's obituary. i only had to change three things, the sex of the deceased,
the location of the body, and the part that said a talent that will be missed. >> wow, wow. >> brutal. brutal. >> you go, seth. >> on the basis of that, seth is now hosting the oscars. >> good for him. >> not that particular style for the oscars? >> maybe want to tone it down a little bit. he's fabulous. >> he's one of my favorite interviews. i think he'll be terrific. >> good for him. good for him. he was great, wasn't he? >> the roast is an extraordinary american phenomenon, but i like it. >> we basically did it to get a cable rating. we were going to shop the show, we needed a cable rating, do something exciting and fun, do a roast. i said, yeah, i have seen them all y they're great. let's do something different. they said, like what? i said, let me figure it out later. the one i had never seen was my own.
the first one i saw was my own, and it was good. >> fantastic. >> people say, how did you stand it? i liked everybody that was there, and it was all really smart humor. how do you take that personal? you can't. you can't take it personal. >> speaking of movies, have you seen many movies? >> not many. >> do you ever buy them? >> i was in atlanta and i saw safe house a couple months ago. i love going to the movies. now you can order like a steak and a beer. it's amazing. >> how do people who go to a movie theater and see you next to them, how do they react? >> they wait until the film's over. they're polite. >> are you a movie star at heart? >> i'm a baseball player at heart. seriously, in my fantasies i'm a baseball player. >> really? >> oh, yeah. the cincinnati reds. >> that would have been the dream for you? >> yeah. but i'm not -- but i wouldn't
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